PGLS

Truth be told the older courses render faster, don't have the sparkles on the grass and other strange visuals that happen since the introduction of 3D. I stopped disabling Dynamic Skies, Adaptive Lighting etc. two years ago. I like my settings at Ultra High and most of the effects built into the game. However, some 3D courses require pulling the sliders to the left to reduce details, distance views and shadows.

Perhaps 3D courses are nice for simulated play in the cellar for real club swingers.

I am happy to play the older courses in any tournament.

The OP is spot on. The idea of playing fictional made up courses that are made to beat you with crappy down-slopes in ALL directions from the flag is just silly. IMHO (so as not to be accused of whining by the big shots here) fictional courses may have been the only thing back in the day, but with over 400 REAL courses NOW (and even some of those are gimmicked up by the designer - East Lake is a prime example because it has low hanging branches from pine trees hanging down to screw up shots from the rough, when in fact that course has Georgia pines on it, not the white pines displayed) there should never be anything but real courses in tournaments. This week, Black Swan, Willow Heath, Karen, Falcon Meadows are all FICTIONAL..wth. All made to defeat the player, definitely not for anyone wanting a nice round of golf. These four courses PENALIZE good shots. What is the point of that? You and I know the PGA and European players would be screaming bloody murder if they had to play a course where every flag stick was on top of a hill with 15% grade on every side.

And while I'm whining...geez...not really, just calling a spade a spade. Riddler, what is the obsession with hard/hard 14 every freakin' week? And then put the wind against me on par 5s and a hill right at normal driving range on others. SMH Do any of you even think?

We need a new section in forum called "Be-moaning" a place for all the whingers to vent.....

Flop7Wood wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:43 pm And while I'm whining...geez...not really, just calling a spade a spade. Riddler, what is the obsession with hard/hard 14 every freakin' week? And then put the wind against me on par 5s and a hill right at normal driving range on others. SMH Do any of you even think?

You blew your entire "just my opinion" schitck when you made it personal and called out the setter. Alan does a great job and deserves better than your whines. Do you even think before you post?

Let's see I do Survivor Tour, hard hard 14 on any of the four 9 holes I did? NOPE! Divisions, was that hard hard 14? THINK NOT! PGLS Tour was American Tour not Hard Hard 13? YES IT WAS, NOT 14, in fact looking back at last 32 rounds only used stimp 14 once and it was with hard hard 14, GOT ME! Finally Divisions Pairs again NOPE! In fact, looking back at last 100 rounds I do for all four tours used stimp 14 three times.

Where was your hand when Mark was asking for help?

Riddler wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:49 pm Let's see I do Survivor Tour, hard hard 14 on any of the four 9 holes I did? NOPE! Divisions, was that hard hard 14? THINK NOT! PGLS Tour was American Tour not Hard Hard 13? YES IT WAS, NOT 14, in fact looking back at last 32 rounds only used stimp 14 once and it was with hard hard 14, GOT ME! Finally Divisions Pairs again NOPE! In fact, looking back at last 100 rounds I do for all four tours used stimp 14 three times.

Where was your hand when Mark was asking for help?

I don't have the luxury of going back and looking at what you did, but those stats are just inaccurate.

Just as predicted. You can set your watch by these guys. The big shots showed up to say I was whining. All I can say is you have your opinion, and I have mine. Why isn't when you complain called whining? Just curious. I seem to recall a recent post by Riddler complaining about the stimp..paraphrasing here...just did a round at xxxx course with hard/hard/14 and if that set up was nowhere close to it. I think he was talking about a Tough Stuff round in the post. No one chimed in to call him a whiner. I get it. You guys have your little clique and are fan boys of each other. The game is perfect. Your game is perfect. The conditions are perfect. The courses are perfect. Anyone who says otherwise is whining.

Mark has never asked me for help. I don't think he will.

I am not going to use "quote" for F7W's entire rant, but I will lean his way on one point only...The wildly fictional courses should probably not be used in the "PGLS Tours" tournaments (and I don't believe many were at all, going from memory and not actual research), as it is supposed to mimic the actual PGA Tour. That being said, it is ridiculous to deride the tourney setters for course choices on any of the other tournaments. It is a VIDEO GAME! Everyone has to play the same courses and conditions. All of those tourneys besides the "PGLS Tours" are provided (at no small amount of effort) by the setters to have FUN. If anyone doesn't like the course, and cannot have fun playing said course, then don't play that week. I am playing a real course that was released while still in beta for the Classic this week. It has serious issues, but I am still playing because it is FUN! If winning is the only thing that makes golf fun, then perhaps it is not the game for you.

Flop7Wood,

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. However it seems you pick on my course setters quite undeservedly week in week out. We all do this for nothing for a game we all like to play and if you didn't I'm sure you wouldn't be hanging around here.

So do me a favour, cut them some slack and just play the tournies you like the look of just like the rest of us.

A fantasy course is just what it says it is and they are not meant to be easy. It's also what makes them interesting and all these courses this week were all challenging but very fun and if you think they were tough you should have played Rivendel in Links 2003 which might be the hardest fantasy course ever made. Love the older courses both real and fantasy and maybe we should have an event using just fantasy courses each week and I bet that event at nine holes a round would be highly played.

Greensboronclion wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:16 am A fantasy course is just what it says it is and they are not meant to be easy. It's also what makes them interesting and all these courses this week were all challenging but very fun and if you think they were tough you should have played Rivendel in Links 2003 which might be the hardest fantasy course ever made. Love the older courses both real and fantasy and maybe we should have an event using just fantasy courses each week and I bet that event at nine holes a round would be highly played.

I have probably played Rivendell in Links more than 300 times. I have played it under par (not much..I think -4) playing no grid..firm/fast/ challening. I know what a fantasy course is. Devil's Island also comes to mind. Rivendell is a very fair and playable course in any conditions. So is Devil's Island. But I certainly wouldn't use either of them for a tournament played by a mixture of different skill levels.

Here though, you don't get to learn the courses. You play 9 holes, and then the conditions change, and then you play a totally different course for the next two 9's with even more different conditions.

I'm sorry if anyone here is offended. That's not my intent. My intent is to cause someone to think about the course set up ahead of time based on the course, not just a list or a whim.

As far as calling out a setter by name...what? I didn't "call" anyone out. I simply named the person my opinion was based on. Is it supposed to be a secret? Geez, don't tell me everyone here is a snowflake. I umpired baseball for 35 years. You guys wouldn't last 5 innings.