PGLS

SimChars1968 wrote:Domino

No where in my posts have I accused anyone of cheating, I was getting at how unrealistic it is to be able to shoot a score that low on a course set up like this. I believe PP need to look at ways in which the game can be made more of a challenge. The short game is one area in which this could be achieved, by making the ball strike less predictable etc etc. I actually praised these players' ability to shoot such scores.

In hindsight, it was probably inevitable where this post was going to head, and I wish I hadn't posted it now. I would have no objections if the Admin's took it down or closed it. You have my sincerest apologies as I did not intend for such accusations to come from this.

SimChars1968

I'm hoping that if and when Perfect Golf 2 comes to be, there have been some more 'fuzzy' elements which will be in play which will be all about risk/reward, judgement and experience. These will be elements such as when you land in 3D grass or anywhere else for that matter, you will not be seeing the information you presently do from the Caddie Advice. Instead of this being a test in mathematics, such as the percentage power loss and spin loss, you will have to get to grips with it playing from such areas with not only no guidance, but also with an element of variation, such as the ball sitting up, sitting down, being smothered, be on a 'flyer' lie (hopefully all shown with a ball view option) and you taking a chance on what you can and cannot get away with in each situation.

As it is at the moment, before we even get there, we have some fantastically talented players who, as they have said, have spent long obsessive hours painstakingly learning what the ball will do. Bear in mind that most of us playing this game have been at it for a number of years in different guises and bring a wealth of knowledge, skill, experience and strategy to the game which will put those players ahead of others with less experince or a more one-dimensional method of playing.

just a heads up you can change from 3c mouse to 3c controller while ingame
just got to take the time and go into settings. found this out while i would keep getting caught up in the controller bugs
when playing 3c controller. since i quit using the controller to many bugs in 3c and many menus come up missing.

Having looked more closely at this element of being able to change swing during the round, I can see I was mistaken and it is indeed possible.

We will be looking at this and will come up with a PGLS-based solution if feasible, to block what could be a potential exploit, or at very least, a less-than-transparent submitted card for the round and event.

i guess i might have PMd you that info i figured any 3c controller knew of it as to get the meter back at times
i would have to go make the change, and then sometimes the menu to end a round would not even come up
PP should just take away the ability to play 3c controller because it just don't work good anyway.
don't know if the other swing method's can be changed no reason to test it as im a 3clicker.
i do know at times i get into some multiplayer where people take an a bunch of time to set shots, never thought
of this might be the reason.

Hi Dave,

As I have said earlier, one 3 click is much like another, and is not such a major issue.

The issue would come if someone can switch between controller swing, which tends to go straighter, 3-click, which gains better peak height over other swing types, and motionswing, which has a more intuitive and performable short game. Mixing and matching as you go around the course would be against the spirit of the game, because much as in real competition golf, the equipment and set-up you begin with must be maintained throughout. Evidence of this is that you are not even able to alter swing weighting on a driver once you begin the round.

I doubt people are changing swing whilst you are in a multiplayer round. The control is not available to do so unless you leave and resume the game.

MiMiC wrote:Having looked more closely at this element of being able to change swing during the round, I can see I was mistaken and it is indeed possible.

We will be looking at this and will come up with a PGLS-based solution if feasible, to block what could be a potential exploit, or at very least, a less-than-transparent submitted card for the round and event.

Thank you for being candid.

Domino
not having a go at you but you play tour pro with dots that sort of defeats the purpose.As soon as I started going up the ladder and getting better the dots had to go. When I play real golf there are no dots to follow so I dont use them but that is my preference. Now you have told me that you use the dots still I understand why your score was so good .Well done.

Stozza

This is precisely the sort of thing I was referring to in my opening post. PP should be sorting these things out. You can't aim using the top down view in tour pro, but you can use a swing meter with markings to help you with precise shot strength. Doesn't make sense to me. Why have a meter anyway? Just use your golfer as the meter the way RTSM/C players have to.

Crusher wrote:

MiMiC wrote:Having looked more closely at this element of being able to change swing during the round, I can see I was mistaken and it is indeed possible.

We will be looking at this and will come up with a PGLS-based solution if feasible, to block what could be a potential exploit, or at very least, a less-than-transparent submitted card for the round and event.

Thank you for being candid.

We now have a record of the last 3,244 rounds played on PGLS, which we have set up to show when a swing type changed during the course of a round. Aside from our testing over the past 24 hours to check this record of play works and produces a flag correctly when triggered, there has been a sum total of ONE round which changed swingtype during the course of play. That is the instance that Randy (smokingrooves) owned up to, where he moved from his desk to his armchair and changed from mouse to controller click swing. No advantage is gained by this change of swing (both being a click method).

I think we can put the stated concern about switching of swings to rest, bearing in mind the weight of evidence.

There is no breach of rules if a player were to decide to play one swing for a round, then another on a following round. That player is a highly-skilled individual who has the ability to master different swings.

The data will be constantly monitored going forward from here. If we see this happening, a ruling will be made, based on whether we feel it was done for convenience and comfort, or for unfair advantage. Exploitation of different swings when we decide it steps past the spirit of competition will see a round rejected on the basis of a player altering equipment/carrying more than the regulation number of clubs during a round (basically playing with two or more golfbags, one for each swing).

Having played with many of the high scoring players I can appriate and envey the skills they have perfected. There is perhaps only a very few if any that can produce low scores on PGLS by using dubius means now. Safeguards and checking devices have been installed to allow only the most honest player to benefit. I take no heed to talk of cheating now but remember that a cheat only ever cheats himself. Have fun and like I do only concern yourself with improving your own game