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Thanks Mike for the info and also for the tip on the scroll wheel as I didn't ever try that at TP. Even tho I use 3C for events I use all the swings in practice as I do enjoy the others tho not as good at them. I might need to make a book for each one to keep up with it. Lol.

so i take it from a certain persons point......................if we dont use 3c then we are cheating..................... i have tried 3c its boring, i use mouse swing because i feel more in touch with the game and any bad shots are made by me ,.......so guess im a cheat.nice to know

I for one am not saying that as there cant be cheating if there are no regulations on equipment. If you are using a non axis controller it will hit the ball straight every time but as of right now its not illegal so it cant be considered cheating and the same with a mouse. The mouse swing is tough to use and a lot of work as long as the mouse is not manipulated but again there are no rules that disallow the manipulation so its not illegal. Until there is a way and from above comments its coming then it is what it is and for those who are not using any manipulation of equipment playing with a controller and mouse swing you know its tough to use. One last note I use a Taylormade R11 Driver IRLG and I can adjust it to what fits my swing and its legal but in truth is it any different than manipulating the controller or mouse?

Certainly equipment these days has meant that you can do much more to tailor your game with adjustments in offset weights and changes in loft and degrees of attack. However, these adjustments are within certain parameters, and a bad swing where your mechanics, dynamics and ability to be consistent are all off will not be over-ridden by equipment alone.

I venture that if the line of travel on equipment made it so the game was played in straight lines, then the powers that be would introduce rulings on equipment. Already there are some, where actually you cannot adjust the weighting of a driver in competition, as all clubs are deemed to need fixed elements.

No matter how much tinkering I do with my R11 the odds of that little white ball going straight all the time are slim and none so the rules of Golf won't need to be changed on account of me. Lol.

Greensboronclion wrote:I for one am not saying that as there cant be cheating if there are no regulations on equipment. If you are using a non axis controller it will hit the ball straight every time but as of right now its not illegal so it cant be considered cheating and the same with a mouse. The mouse swing is tough to use and a lot of work as long as the mouse is not manipulated but again there are no rules that disallow the manipulation so its not illegal. Until there is a way and from above comments its coming then it is what it is and for those who are not using any manipulation of equipment playing with a controller and mouse swing you know its tough to use. One last note I use a Taylormade R11 Driver IRLG and I can adjust it to what fits my swing and its legal but in truth is it any different than manipulating the controller or mouse?

my comment was not aimed at you sir

Affo wrote:Just for info, this week's Tough Stuff as at now (21:21pm Monday BST):

3 Click - 30 players
Mouse - 6 players
Controller - 2 players

Just picked that as it's the quickest field, but many of those play the PGA9 and PGA18, so you can see, type of swing split will not happen for leaderboards and I don't think any league I do will be split either. You'll be playing against the players in your Division, be it 3C, Mouse or Controller.

I'll get my cap on and think.

I don't wish to become embroiled or associated with any of the so called 'issues' being vented upon, but would like to place some weight upon the swing split leaderboards. I've not recently played or am likely to, unfortunately. My wife has lung cancer and we are dealing with life at the moment, so whilst I enjoy a few hours on the pc when I have moments, I find my 'moments' are spent reading about golf or on something completely unrelated. This is one of those moments...

Options, have always been one of the best ways to include as many variables as allowed. Unfortunately, without the split Leaderboard, this issue will raise its head over and over again. Swing styles vs other swing styles, will be the way anyone explains differences. It's almost an unwritten law, where some feel any variation from how they play, will be difference in the result. Different equipment, is all about using what best suits the individual. Being at the top of their game, using the right equipment, DOES make a difference.

As things stand, with an inclusive Leaderboard, it's fine. But, having the option to see how those around you fair in similar or identical styles, is NOT bad. It isn't diversive, as some attached to PP believe. It's simply that they don't believe it's how they wanted their game to be seen within the community. WE are the community, and some are asking for it. So, I believe we already have a diversive community lol.

I'd like to see a 3C option to see how I may fair against other Pro or TP players. There may only be 2 or 3 of us, or maybe 10 or 20. I used to often search for only a couple of players I knew anyway. Like many, we are all in a certain group of scores, that we see regular names. Each week, I'd aim to beat them or base each round by their scores and compete in my own way. All this, without actually playing online against anyone. Many of us play this way, and not with another online partner unfortunately.

So.. what I'm saying is, whilst it may not be something used widely, it would put an end to the requests, and it would deliver information simpler.

Ian Prayers to you and your wife and yes Sir that is real life and this is just a game.

Thankyou. We are on a long path fortunately, as we, and many are aware, there can be shorter ones in this life. One step at a time is the aim of us all...

Greensboronclion wrote:I for one am not saying that as there cant be cheating if there are no regulations on equipment. If you are using a non axis controller it will hit the ball straight every time but as of right now its not illegal so it cant be considered cheating and the same with a mouse. The mouse swing is tough to use and a lot of work as long as the mouse is not manipulated but again there are no rules that disallow the manipulation so its not illegal. Until there is a way and from above comments its coming then it is what it is and for those who are not using any manipulation of equipment playing with a controller and mouse swing you know its tough to use. One last note I use a Taylormade R11 Driver IRLG and I can adjust it to what fits my swing and its legal but in truth is it any different than manipulating the controller or mouse?

Legal or not if someone can manipulate a device so they can be in the top 3 every tourney they choose to compete in, it's going to happen. Ethics is not part of online gaming, never was. Ethics is the main issure here and most people will stretch those ethics to "be better" than everyone else. It's the nature of humans when they are not face-to-face (IRL) with another person.

Hard for people to cheat in real life when their opponenet is standing next to them. Way too easy for people to close games after a bad ball-srike or manipulate their swing device.

So what can be done? Split the swing methods up. We can all report back to PP and PGLS Admin if someone is uncannily rolling a ball up 3 feet from the hole from 200 yards out etc.

People I enjoy playing are Carl Lapin, Seasider, Tres Club, Mimic, Dunc and a few others who are trusted to use just the mouse with either MS or 3click without any funny business going on behind the scenes. We all can tell when we play that each other is using nothing more than their swing type with an unmodified mouse.

I harped on PP for the first year about how strange things were turning out on leaderboards before I got a chance to play various suspects. After playing them at P or TP I saw that something was fishy. I came to the conclusion that it wasnt just their swing method, it was their knowledge of exploits.

Off topic: The other strategy is to send chat during a swing or start whining during game play to distract the opponent. I would love to put their names in writing here but that would lower myself to their level and would show disrespect to my fellow members who do not try to win "by any means possible" during game play.