PGLS

Does the person who sets up this tournament understand...

1. Hard/Normal is really hard/hard, so its stupid to put the pin in the back of the green when the object is to get close. It will bounce off the back from hitting even 30 yards in front of the hole, and most greens don't have even that much room. Especially on long irons and woods. I don't give a shit what my score is, I'd just like to hold a green once in awhile.
2. Mixed conditions in this game aren't really mixed. The designer could have it prohibited, or the software won't allow for any real difference.
3. Does it ever rain when its hard/normal, or normal/normal, or normal/soft? Does it ever rain with 13 stimp? Seems like we only have rain with soft/soft and 8-10 stimp.

I find the runout on hard greens to be 15-20 yards - I also use "high blue" on hard greens to try to reduce the rollout - rain usually creates softer greens and slower stimp and thus when raining, greens would not be hard or normal nor would they be fast greens - just my observations.

bbbuckshot1 wrote: Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:15 pm I find the runout on hard greens to be 15-20 yards -

For me, that is the norm on "normal greens" with any iron or wood club above PW. Blows my mind that when hitting from the rough there is notice of "spin loss". Its 100%, almost 100% of the time.

The "norm" for me on normal greens is about 10 yards for irons excluding wedges - and I agree that from the rough, the spin loss is high and hard to judge

Jesus Christ, dude. Why do you still play this tournament? First off, Hard/Normal IS Hard/Normal. The person who sets up this tournament actually puts effort into it. And no, it's not me. Whether or not it rains has nothing to do with how playable the round is. Have you considered that you're not a great player? Look at the scores above yours. They don't seem to be having the same problems.