PGLS

I along with others are finding it extremely discouraging competing against people who are using controllers and posting what seem to be almost unreachable scores for those of us that use the mouse.
There is very clearly a disparity between the two methods.
There is clearly no 'level playing field' when it comes down to it and something ought to be done to address this issue.

Totally agree, not saying any more cos when ever i voice my opinion its taken the wrong way lol

I was looking at the scoreboard the other day and notice there seems to be room to put the little "swing method" icon on there somewhere. I would love to see what method everyone is using without having to click the scorecard.

Regarding controllers .... welllllll, scores speak for themselves.

I hear what you are saying, and Perc is right, having an icon would be useful to see where you stand amongst similar swing methods. Splitting the field up into swing type would only make for tiny leaderboards and probably quite a bit of programming work, with Controller and Mouse leaderboards having few people on them as 3C is predominant ( I believe).

If little icons can be put next to a players name would be the best answer in my opinion.

If you click on the persons score you can see, what method they use. Sometime back I asked about showing the persons swing type, because if you play MS or RTS-M people dont know what your playing. I like to play ether or but stick to MS because I am better at it, if both were shown I would switch back and forth. One week RTS-M the next MS so on and so forth.

You'd need to recreate the Leaderboards, to better illustrate the methods used..... a little like the sort options for Pro, Tour Pro etc....

Recreate a few of these, to better illustrate your points guys... always better to have proof or 'what you believe' to be proof to allow further investigation. Ideally, that needs to be done by the guys at PP. The guys here, are simply doing what they can with the game itself.

Also, unless you have actually seen how a player uses a swing, as I have when playing online with one person who I would think prompts some of the above comment, you would be amazed at how the player actually uses the swing. They do not hit straight, but instead have adapted their play to use a consistent curving shot.

Running through Affo's Unofficial World Rankings for each level, There is maybe one player at each game level who uses a controller. The remainder are mouse movement or click players.

Our intention here is always to have as inclusive a competition as possible and not to separate out swings... that would kill our competition stone dead very quickly believe me. What you end up with is 'factions' of players who will not interact, and the game was and is designed to bring a diverse set of playing styles together and not separate them into safe and unchallenged 'silos' of one-swing styles.

Any refinement which is needed, which I am not saying doesn't need to happen, is totally at the developers feet. I would like to see a swing which can be used on controllers of varying sensitivity have 'on-the-fly' calibration to make it always play as they intended. Without that, we are left with assessing whether swings show a variance we expect, and as soon as a current beta goes to public, we will be acting on that. More details will follow at the appropriate time.

You are correct. I have played several players (not just here) who use a controller on their PC that allows them to hit a Pro or Tour Pro shot straight as an arrow. Other factors during their game play make it obvious they are playing with something that PP Admin have yet to figure out how to address.

As for a site creating an MS group, 3C group, Controller group etc., the problems will still occur because what one says or what the data shows about a swing type can be manipulated on the user end. I am reluctant to play certain people 1-on-1 because of their uncanny shot results. Sorry. No body is that good.

So it goes since day one with Perfect Golf...

Wholly wrong on both counts.

I was not saying anything about players hitting straight shots. My point was actually that those at the top of the rankings are NOT hitting straight shots.

On the second point, unless a player has a way of decoding and inserting into our encrypted return data, and routing it back having made that change through Perfect Parallel's servers, they cannot cheat the shot-by-shot information we get regarding swing used. I can tell you now, it is impossible, because it would not then resend the data to us from Perfect Parallel.

Really, such speculation and wild imaginings should be shot down like I have because it is so mis-informed and is exactly the sort of talk that has found people making accusations which have no grounding and creating unnecessary friction amongst the community. You would honestly think that people would have learnt their lesson around such things, rather than keep on trying to be divisive.

Granted. You are more experienced than I am in this area. I will stay quiet from now on in this and any other forum about speculations. In the meantime the crazy low scores from any player from any site will fall under the category of "yeah, right".