Montclair hole #17, pin position 7, 2nd round Pair Ups
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:42 pm
This pin setting should be outlawed for any future use. It is positioned on a slick slope that rolls off into a bunker even on the most delicate, slow moving putts from 3 feet away, and even for chip shots uphill to it. And especially with 13 stimp, hard greens.
If you look at the scores for that hole, we had several 7s, 9s, 11s and a 20 something. My team scored a 5-- I hit my approach to 5 feet, luckily, but my partner's very cautious lag putt rolled into the bunker. My sand shot rolled up a foot from the hole, then came right back to the bunker. Only my partners next shot from the sand landing in the hole ( a near miracle shot) kept us from a 7, an 11 or maybe a 22. Point being, the hole is unplayable by any standard with the pin in that unfair spot.
I don't blame the setter for this --as a setter myself I know I do my best to choose reasonable pins, but I don't play every hole with planned pins to be able to notice such a nasty pin placement. Setters are volunteers, they should not be expected to play out every hole they set or we would not have anyone willing to set tourneys each week. I think the solution is one of two things: 1. Get the designer to remove or move that pin placement, or 2., maybe Mark can somehow annotate that pin setting as something other than "Difficult". Perhaps "Danger" or some similar annotation. Or my preferred annotation for that pin, "No Fucking Way".
All comments welcome.
Tony
If you look at the scores for that hole, we had several 7s, 9s, 11s and a 20 something. My team scored a 5-- I hit my approach to 5 feet, luckily, but my partner's very cautious lag putt rolled into the bunker. My sand shot rolled up a foot from the hole, then came right back to the bunker. Only my partners next shot from the sand landing in the hole ( a near miracle shot) kept us from a 7, an 11 or maybe a 22. Point being, the hole is unplayable by any standard with the pin in that unfair spot.
I don't blame the setter for this --as a setter myself I know I do my best to choose reasonable pins, but I don't play every hole with planned pins to be able to notice such a nasty pin placement. Setters are volunteers, they should not be expected to play out every hole they set or we would not have anyone willing to set tourneys each week. I think the solution is one of two things: 1. Get the designer to remove or move that pin placement, or 2., maybe Mark can somehow annotate that pin setting as something other than "Difficult". Perhaps "Danger" or some similar annotation. Or my preferred annotation for that pin, "No Fucking Way".
All comments welcome.
Tony
) and holed out a long chip, a pitch and a squirrely sand shot. I was just along for the ride 
