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Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:34 pm
by whattashot
Played the first round at Torrey Pines, while watching the 3rd round of the Open on TV. Not one pin in the entire course is buried behind a bunker or in the corner of a green like our set up for the First Round. Shaking my head. I've asked this question numerous times, and no one answers except to say that I'm whining. To me, that means you don't know the answer, so you shouldn't say anything.
I'll ask again. What is the point? The controllers and straight edgers will win, so it doesn't matter. Except to the every day player.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:46 pm
by Affo
Serious answer. Perhaps it is because we have a lot more distance control than real life and can land a ball pretty well where we want to if a ding is hit. So pins being tucked is a measure to make it tougher? Perhaps there's not a lot of pins to choose from and so you may find that a tighter pin has to be used so some don't complain that the same pin is used all tournament.
Iirc, there was a nice selection of pins so far after 2 rounds, some tucked, some at the back and in the middle.
Not so serious answer, ya whining!
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:04 am
by JMK59
Sorry you didn't like the setup for R1 Flop.
I don't think you're going to like R3 & R4 at hard and fast either.
Give it your best, though.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:11 pm
by whattashot
Affo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:46 pm
Perhaps it is because we have a lot more distance control than real life and can land a ball pretty well where we want to if a ding is hit.
This is a wrong answer.
I have hit the "ding", "mark", "snap", or whatever you want to call it, perfectly many many times. That is not the problem with this game. Normal greens are not normal. Soft greens are not soft. Hard greens are REAL hard. I've played real golf for over 55 years, and have NEVER had a ball bounce on the green like they do in PG. You can hit the highest loft possible in the game and no matter what the conditions are, the ball does not drop on the green and STOP within 10 feet, except in very rare occasions where there is a small rise in front of the pin. So, in ALL conditions you have to play the bounce/run on the green. Its IMPOSSIBLE when there is a pin 10 feet behind a bunker or rough. If you can do it, then you have knowledge of the game that others do not, and you are unwilling to share it. By that I mean, you guys all post videos on You Tube, the same as me. BUT your videos are not the same. You don't show the shot set up, and you don't show the meter. I do. What are you afraid of showing?
I challenge the top 10-15 players here...you know who you are...to post a video of one of those -14 rounds, that shows your meter and your shot set up.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:41 pm
by JMK59
One secret that I thought most know:
Overhit your driver - get extra distance with no spin increase.
Overhit a 64W - get no extra distance, but get a lot more spin. That extra spin can bounce, check, and stop even on a hard green. Even more so with the Caliber ball.
Playing your ball up or down in setup doesn't change the spin, as it should. Only changes trajectory.
Give it a try.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:47 pm
by whattashot
JMK59 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:41 pm
One secret that I thought most know:
Overhit your driver - get extra distance with no spin increase.
Overhit a 64W - get no extra distance, but get a lot more spin. That extra spin can bounce, check, and stop even on a hard green. Even more so with the Caliber ball.
Playing your ball up or down in setup doesn't change the spin, as it should. Only changes trajectory.
Give it a try.
Well, I'll be damned. After two years, some experienced input regarding the game. Thank you. The irony is, I don't even carry the 64W. I can't help to think of what I mentioned above. If all of those videos showed the shot setup and the meter, many more would know.
In Links 2003, you could not see the meter or the shot setup until your opponent's swing, but it was sooooo helpful in learning the game. And you could go in to a multiplayer game, and you could use the BLI and the zoom on the green while your opponent was putting, so you could know the shot you wanted to hit beforehand. And you could see the club used and the meter, before the next player was rendered.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:47 pm
by JMK59
Well...if it makes you feel any better...I played the 17th in R4 as a "snowman" (8), same as Bryson DeChambeau.
Damn that pin setter.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:19 am
by Seasider47
I consider myself an every day golfer, waywood with my snap at times often hit long and short of the hole bur over all I think I played ok this week at Torrey Pines. I'm not a lover of Stimp 13 and hard greens but I'm over the moon at completing the event just 2 over par.
My lost shots were due to wayward drives, the holes are long at times but the greens didnt cause any major issues. In fact I'd like to thank the setter for a challenging and fair competition, one I enjoyed very much
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:50 pm
by Affo
Flop7Wood wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:11 pm
Affo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:46 pm
Perhaps it is because we have a lot more distance control than real life and can land a ball pretty well where we want to if a ding is hit.
This is a wrong answer.
I have hit the "ding", "mark", "snap", or whatever you want to call it, perfectly many many times. That is not the problem with this game. Normal greens are not normal. Soft greens are not soft. Hard greens are REAL hard. I've played real golf for over 55 years, and have NEVER had a ball bounce on the green like they do in PG. You can hit the highest loft possible in the game and no matter what the conditions are, the ball does not drop on the green and STOP within 10 feet, except in very rare occasions where there is a small rise in front of the pin. So, in ALL conditions you have to play the bounce/run on the green. Its IMPOSSIBLE when there is a pin 10 feet behind a bunker or rough. If you can do it, then you have knowledge of the game that others do not, and you are unwilling to share it. By that I mean, you guys all post videos on You Tube, the same as me. BUT your videos are not the same. You don't show the shot set up, and you don't show the meter. I do. What are you afraid of showing?
I challenge the top 10-15 players here...you know who you are...to post a video of one of those -14 rounds, that shows your meter and your shot set up.
It is not a wrong answer. You have a lot more control over distance than in real life due to using a meter, fact. 10ft is a bit hopeful, I was pleased to be within 5mtrs on some of those, I played to the side and used the contours to my benefit.
Soft greens stop pretty quickly. I would say I play 90% of shots with the dot to the top to help reduce roll out. Saying i'm unwilling to share info is just out of line too. People have messaged me and asked things, I try to answer them all. Much of what I have learned is through trial and error, there are no great mysteries to this game, i repeat...game. It doesn't mirror real life golf and quoting how many year's you've played doesn't alter that. I've played on and off for 30 odd too. It does it's best but will always remain a game as will all other golf games.
John's info re overswing is good and could easily be found out with some practice or trial and error.
Any videos I have posted all show the meter and you can see when I click early/late and where I position the dot. I really do have nothing to hide contrary to what many may believe.
Re: Buried pins at Torrey Pines
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:34 pm
by bbbuckshot1
Hey, you guys do a great job of course set up - I curse your asses at times with tight pins on hard greens but c'est la vie - that's golf!! LOL
Keep up the good work - and damn the torpedoes and tight pins!! :-)