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The levelling up isn't the problem its the average achieved to level up is,its far to soon, take Decembers figures here download/file.php?id=3421&mode=view it shows to level up from Hacker to amateur you need to be scoring under 72.58, to go from Amateur to pro under 70.89 and pros shooting under 68.05 will go up, in my opinion this is ridiculous. No one been promoted at these averages has achieved anywhere near his / her potential at that level and will struggle for a while at a higher level. This game is about competition but its also about enjoying that competition.I played WGT for a while and their system worked very well you were levelled up when your average reached around 60/61, you were ready for the next level and never got demoted back down. The levelling up criteria needs a good overhaul in my opinion as players are been moved up far to early and haven't reached the levels potential.

that's not the actual average...it's adjusted for the difficulty of the setup and course. All in the explanation on the forum.

The levelling up criteria is pretty fair I think, can't please everyone of course.

Regarding WGT, the score for promotion changes with the Tier...I also played there for a couple of years, little bit like here, the higher the Tier, the lower the average needed to go up again.

Good point about never going back down too...makes me think about whether to implement that here too.

"from Hacker to Amateur you need to be scoring under 72.58"
"from Amateur to Pro under 70.89"
From Pro to TP under 68.05 will go up.

Are these not the correct figures then Andy? If they are they seem inordinately high. An Amateur averaging scores of 70 will not be competitive, and then, even worse, he is 'upgraded' to Pro where the game becomes more difficult for him and he is even less competitive because his average will surely rise?! And no doubt his enjoyment will also suffer - probably leading to reduced interest in the game and eventual disappearance. I believe this has already happened more than once.

If not the required figures for 'promotion' then what are the right ones please?

Bob, did you read my reply?

That is the adjusted average to level out easy and difficult setups!!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3538

Figures for promotion are fluid, changes every month.

Affo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:45 am Regarding WGT, the score for promotion changes with the Tier...I also played there for a couple of years, little bit like here, the higher the Tier, the lower the average needed to go up again

I played there for many years and your average for promotion was in the region of 60/61 and sometimes 59, when your averaging them sort of scores you have achieved your full potential at that level and get promoted and rightly so.

Affo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:32 am that's not the actual average...it's adjusted for the difficulty of the setup and course. All in the explanation on the forum.

What is the actual average then Andy as even 68 seems to soon to be promoting players, the player is just finding his/her feet at that average its only 2,3 or 4 under depending on course par. You also state that you go up if you beat 80% of the tier above you, this was a bit unfair on Amateurs as the default settings for new players was Pro, probably a great deal of them were Amateurs or beginners to start with so an experienced Ammy is going to beat a novice pro every time.

Affo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:32 am The levelling up criteria is pretty fair I think, can't please everyone of course.

I dont think it is Andy far from it.

Try looking at wgt pages, promotion from the different tiers is at different scores..and you went up whether you felt you were ready or not. I've saved you the trouble:

You need to play at least 5 ranked rounds as hack to saturate before reaching Amateur.
When your average score is equal or smaller than 100 you go from Hack to Amateur.

You need to play at least 10 ranked rounds as amateur to saturate before reaching Pro.

When it is equal or smaller than 80 you go from Amateur to Pro..

You need to play at least 20 ranked rounds as Pro to saturate before reaching Tour Pro.

When it is equal or smaller than 72 you go from pro to Tour Pro.

You need to play at least 25 ranked rounds as Tour pro to saturate before reaching Master.

When it is equal or smaller than 67 you go from Tour Pro to Master.

You need to play at least 40 ranked rounds as Master to saturate before reaching Tour Master.

When it is equal or smaller than 63 you go from Master to Tour Master.

You need to play at least 50 ranked rounds as Tour Master to saturate before reaching Legend.

When it is equal or smaller than 61 you go from Tour Master to Legend.

You need to play at least 500 ranked rounds as Legend to saturated ( average stops going up ) before reaching Tour Legend.
When it is equal or smaller than 60 you go from Legend to Tour Legend.

You need to play at least 200 ranked rounds as Tour Legend to saturate ( average stops going up ).
When it is equal or smaller than 60 you go from Tour Legend to Champion.

You need to play an additional 200 ranked rounds as Tour Legend before reaching Champion.

You need to play another 200 ranked rounds as a Champion to saturate ( average stops going up ).



The actual averages are about 3 shots better than the adjusted levels and of course it differs with each player depending on whether they played in an easier scoring event or not. Pro is also the biggest field, so beating 80% of that field....time to go up.

You can of course have your opinion on whether you think it's fair or not.

Just for the record, the month you went up from Amateur to Pro, you averaged (real average) 64.20 which was over 5 shots per round better than the average Amateur, not the less skilled ones and your average beat 67 out of 72 Pro players and 23 our of 34 Tour Pros...think you were ready.

It may be fun for the player whos skill helps him to score between -20 to -30 in a 4 round Tour but can be very frustrating for those that have a personel best and only achieve -10 for the same 4 rounds. The present scoring system has had a vast improvement which has meant a more competitive game

The present scoring system has had a vast improvement which has meant a more competitive game

In my humble opinion that's debatable.

For those who wish to be more competitive I have a putting chart and a chipping/pitching chart which I will make available to you if you send me a personal message. And a small fee... (joking)

This is a curious tread... Have you ever lost a snap and tried to get it back? It can feel like the more you focus on it the more you can't hit it. So, I choose to focus on something else and hope that my subconscious helps me. I know, I know, I know... it sounds crazy and I also admit that its just not as easy as typing it out.

The good thing about PG is that it will reward you for being a thinker. Even on my best rounds I am going to miss numerous snaps. So, I don't chase snaps because that leads to frustration. And when I get frustrated, I don't have fun. Instead I focus on moving the ball around and hitting different types of shots (hook, draw, cut, fade, low, high etc...), sometimes I go up an iron and hit it less than 100%, sometimes I go over 100% when the higher club would be adequate etc... I just keep trying stuff and some of the different shots help with shot placement on the course.

For me the true joy in the game comes from executing a shot that closely resembles how I saw it in my minds-eye before hitting it. Don't get me wrong, you still have to hit the snap to execute, but for me the focus seems to be shot execution as opposed to snap execution.

I hope the post does't come off like some jacka$$ tour pro who thinks he has it all figured out. Because I DO NOT. Just ask my wife and she can give you a list of choice words she sometimes hears from the other room when my "shot execution" doesn't do like it did in my minds-eye LOL