2021 Course Selection Notes
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2021 Course Selection Notes
When the 2021 PGLS Tour starts, this will be the thread to collect Course notes, complaints, critiques, and playability problems for any course used in the Tour. I want to use this to weed out iffy courses for next years Tour version.
COURSES
There are 52 courses used on the American Tour schedule, with 44 Real and 8 Fictional. Four Events use multiple courses.
There are 51 courses on the Continental Tour schedule, with 44 Real and 7 Fictional. Three Events use multiple course.
Most of the courses on the Continental Tour don't exist in Perfect Golf, so when I pick a replacement I go for playability first, a real course second, then as close in style and similar look third. Spain, Portugal, and Italy look similar to California; the Middle East looks a lot like Florida; Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and the Netherlands look like the Ohio area; Asia resembles Texas of all places. Mexico City is high altitude, so I used The Preserve at Stanley Lake (5357 ft).
When you ask yourself "why this course" do the following. Google the tournament name, look at the actual course, then look at the replacement. I used the above process.
I've also started to collect some basic tidbits about each tournament, mostly on the American side. I'll include these in the weekly blog.
Welcome to the 2021 PGLS Tours. The final count is 89 members across both Tours. Totals could increase at the start of Legs 2 or 3.
For those that haven't noticed, there are 7 tournaments this year (4 American and 3 Continental) that use more than one course. These are based on actual PGA and European Tour stops, and their formats. This week's Continental event, the South African Open, is one of these. Below is some history about these tournaments in general, mainly from the American side.
These types of tournaments are almost always big fundraiser events, with the usual field of 156 PGA Tour players and an equal number of celebrity players. Two PGA players are paired with two celebrities in a total of 78 foursomes (a 300+ field). In order for everyone to complete each round in 1 day, several courses are used simultaneously with the entire field split among them. Sometimes two courses are used, and sometimes three are required for bigger fields. Before the cut, each of the foursomes gets to play each of the courses. After the cut, the final round(s) are played on the home course, usually one of the pre-cut courses.
Three course tournaments with the cut after round 3 are - the American Express (formerly the Bob Hope Classic), the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am, and the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship. Two course tournaments with the cut after round 2 are - the South African Open, the ISPS HANDA Vic Open, the Farmers Insurance, and The RMS Classic. The tournaments that we have real courses for are the South African Open, the VIC Open, AT&T Pebble Beach, Farmers Insurance, and the Alfred Dunhill.
PGLS Tours doesn't use a cut, so having a different course for round 2 looks odd unless you know why (above); the three course version looks a bit more familiare. PGLS also can't play simultaneous courses for the pre-cut rounds, but there is a workaround. Under the "Tournies" tab (top), scroll to the bottom and pick Round Selector and follow the instructions. As an example of a 3 course tournament, you can use this to play the rounds 1, 2, or 3 in the order you wish, sort of like a random course assignment. This shouldn't be used for the intended post-cut rounds.
Anyway...I hope everyone has fun with some of the new ideas. Good luck.
COURSES
There are 52 courses used on the American Tour schedule, with 44 Real and 8 Fictional. Four Events use multiple courses.
There are 51 courses on the Continental Tour schedule, with 44 Real and 7 Fictional. Three Events use multiple course.
Most of the courses on the Continental Tour don't exist in Perfect Golf, so when I pick a replacement I go for playability first, a real course second, then as close in style and similar look third. Spain, Portugal, and Italy look similar to California; the Middle East looks a lot like Florida; Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and the Netherlands look like the Ohio area; Asia resembles Texas of all places. Mexico City is high altitude, so I used The Preserve at Stanley Lake (5357 ft).
When you ask yourself "why this course" do the following. Google the tournament name, look at the actual course, then look at the replacement. I used the above process.
I've also started to collect some basic tidbits about each tournament, mostly on the American side. I'll include these in the weekly blog.
Welcome to the 2021 PGLS Tours. The final count is 89 members across both Tours. Totals could increase at the start of Legs 2 or 3.
For those that haven't noticed, there are 7 tournaments this year (4 American and 3 Continental) that use more than one course. These are based on actual PGA and European Tour stops, and their formats. This week's Continental event, the South African Open, is one of these. Below is some history about these tournaments in general, mainly from the American side.
These types of tournaments are almost always big fundraiser events, with the usual field of 156 PGA Tour players and an equal number of celebrity players. Two PGA players are paired with two celebrities in a total of 78 foursomes (a 300+ field). In order for everyone to complete each round in 1 day, several courses are used simultaneously with the entire field split among them. Sometimes two courses are used, and sometimes three are required for bigger fields. Before the cut, each of the foursomes gets to play each of the courses. After the cut, the final round(s) are played on the home course, usually one of the pre-cut courses.
Three course tournaments with the cut after round 3 are - the American Express (formerly the Bob Hope Classic), the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am, and the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship. Two course tournaments with the cut after round 2 are - the South African Open, the ISPS HANDA Vic Open, the Farmers Insurance, and The RMS Classic. The tournaments that we have real courses for are the South African Open, the VIC Open, AT&T Pebble Beach, Farmers Insurance, and the Alfred Dunhill.
PGLS Tours doesn't use a cut, so having a different course for round 2 looks odd unless you know why (above); the three course version looks a bit more familiare. PGLS also can't play simultaneous courses for the pre-cut rounds, but there is a workaround. Under the "Tournies" tab (top), scroll to the bottom and pick Round Selector and follow the instructions. As an example of a 3 course tournament, you can use this to play the rounds 1, 2, or 3 in the order you wish, sort of like a random course assignment. This shouldn't be used for the intended post-cut rounds.
Anyway...I hope everyone has fun with some of the new ideas. Good luck.
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
EVENT # 1: 7 Jan 2021
John set the pins/conditions this week.
American: Sentry ToC @ Pineapple Lodge - rain expected Saturday.
Continental: S. African Open @ The Links, Leopard Creek - Rounds 1 & 2 are played at either course, with rounds 3 & 4 at The Links. For the emerson effect, you can use the "Round Selector" under the Tournies tab to pick which course to play first (R1 @ The Links or R2 @ Leopard Creek). Only use this for rounds 1 & 2.
Rain expected Thursday.
John set the pins/conditions this week.
American: Sentry ToC @ Pineapple Lodge - rain expected Saturday.
Continental: S. African Open @ The Links, Leopard Creek - Rounds 1 & 2 are played at either course, with rounds 3 & 4 at The Links. For the emerson effect, you can use the "Round Selector" under the Tournies tab to pick which course to play first (R1 @ The Links or R2 @ Leopard Creek). Only use this for rounds 1 & 2.
Rain expected Thursday.
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
EVENT # 2: 13 Jan 2021
John sets the pins/conditions this week.
American: Sony Open @ Waialae - I'll be setting the pins for this based on last year's real locations (PGATour.com), with this year's forcasted weather. One thing to note - the tournament you see on TV starts on the back 9 of the course we will be playing, then they play the front 9. Keep that in mind when you see the TV coverage.
Weather forecast for Waialae - https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/son ... ther.html
Continental: Adu Dhabi @ Florida Palms Blue -
Weather forecast for Adu Dhabi, UAE - https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ae/abu-dhabi
John sets the pins/conditions this week.
American: Sony Open @ Waialae - I'll be setting the pins for this based on last year's real locations (PGATour.com), with this year's forcasted weather. One thing to note - the tournament you see on TV starts on the back 9 of the course we will be playing, then they play the front 9. Keep that in mind when you see the TV coverage.
Weather forecast for Waialae - https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/son ... ther.html
Continental: Adu Dhabi @ Florida Palms Blue -
Weather forecast for Adu Dhabi, UAE - https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ae/abu-dhabi
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
If I would have known we were going to play the unrealistic minature golf version of royal melbourne I would have played in America. I thought we were playing at one of the best courses in the game in classic renditions version. This composite version elevations are NOT realistic and fell like minature golf. No thanks
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
Took a 7 on 3. Absolutely a joke. I walked out of the course. Put me down for a DNF
There's about 7 foot difference between the front of the green and the bottom of the fairway on 5th West IRL and on CR version. On this it is 16 feet!!
Where did an extra 9 feet come from?
There's about 7 foot difference between the front of the green and the bottom of the fairway on 5th West IRL and on CR version. On this it is 16 feet!!
Where did an extra 9 feet come from?
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
I totally agree, I never would have picked the composite version.
those are some of the worst greens we got in this game, am I going to be forced to play it
if so I will more then likely sit this week out to
those are some of the worst greens we got in this game, am I going to be forced to play it
if so I will more then likely sit this week out to
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
I stepped up to my 21 foot 9 foot breaking putt on 4. Picked up the ball and left the course laughing in disbelief. I had been practicing on RC's west and the same holes in the composite version are completely exaggerated as far as green elevations go.
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
Sorry guys, my fault for the last minute change.
The original Melbourne (Classic Renditions) was flagged by Mark as a "do not use for tournaments" course because of load-up issues. If the course loads beyond 50% it plays very nice with the pins I picked. If it doesn't load, then a lot of folks wouldn't be able to play.
I didn't see Marks notes until about 3 hours before the Tour went live tonight, so the composite version was picked. I tried to soften the conditions and pick easier pins, but sounds like it ended up being hit-or-miss with the greens being what they are.
Again, my apologies.
The original Melbourne (Classic Renditions) was flagged by Mark as a "do not use for tournaments" course because of load-up issues. If the course loads beyond 50% it plays very nice with the pins I picked. If it doesn't load, then a lot of folks wouldn't be able to play.
I didn't see Marks notes until about 3 hours before the Tour went live tonight, so the composite version was picked. I tried to soften the conditions and pick easier pins, but sounds like it ended up being hit-or-miss with the greens being what they are.
Again, my apologies.
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Re: 2021 Course Selection Notes
No biggie will just get more practice in for next week. Cheers!
Just FYI: the Kingston Heath course does not have the same issues that I am aware of. Maybe next year play all 4 rounds there. Not Royal Mel, but still great.
Just FYI: the Kingston Heath course does not have the same issues that I am aware of. Maybe next year play all 4 rounds there. Not Royal Mel, but still great.
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