PGLS Fair Play Statement

[terbal]

people should read the whole comment and not just the bit they want to read. In my view Les was only pointing at the players that play solo and cheat not solo players. Why dont you all wait until Mark and Mike have looked into the matter as the first post said and stop jumping down each others throats.

[JoeBradley]

Thanks for the clarification. I get your meaning now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[terbal]

Thanks for the clarification. I get your meaning now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Makosha]

Mike's post sets to have set the cat amongst the pigeons so to speak, why would the be?

[IanD]

Ian,

As the statement says, details will be forthcoming over the next week. The above is a statement of our intent, and serves to initially tell of our intention to address issues raised elsewhere on the board. Our data is part of the API data coming across with all details of the tournament events played. We will be outlining how we are using this data, but we do need the week's grace we have timetabled to be sure of what will be a move which will help to make things more transparent and trustworthy.

The majority of players I can safely say will have no issue with anything we do and should have no worries on what we are doing, but we seek to provide clarity in what we are doing, and that will be explained fully at the point at which we are able to do so.

Mike

MiMiC

Thanks Mike, I look forward to it!

[Seasider47]

I share the sentiments in here that golf is a social game and for me the playing against another player online is the most satifying part of the game, Going back to Links days most clubs played on a regular basis in group games and were great fun. Strangely enough on the rare occasion i have played a live game against one of these high scorers (and I'm not talking of the many really good players that constantly do well, but those that produce scores that dont seem humanly possible) they have never lived up to the way they play in a solo game. I think there has to be an element of partisipation in live games or recorded games being compulsary to establish a players status. Just as an athlete must go through a drugs test to show hes not using anything that increases is chance of winning so must our competitors be able to show they are not using a device that helps them. Well done to Mike and Mark for demonstrating they will not tollerate ant form of cheating and that they are prepared to set up a scheme to weadle out those who abuse the game we love.

[Crusher]

Tournaments for me are just an opportunity to experiment with crazy shots. I guess that's why I like Hazard the most. After all these years I stopped trying to be at the top of the leaderboard; I have no desire to take the time to "super concentrate" only to be beaten by someone who will ALWAYS have a score 2 to 4 strokes better than my best effort. Meaning, they learned not to use their exploit to show-off too much by shooting 15 to 20 strokes lower than all the other players.

How do they do this? I figure they just wait until the real contenders finish the 3rd or 4th round and go about their dirty work to make sure the score is fairly close to the 2nd and 3rd place finishers. It's always been that way in all golf games. People who know how to program (I don't) can modify their Swing Controller or Mouse however they please. Or find some other exploit. That is what makes gamng fun for them, the challenge of learning how to exploit it, not learning to play it with integrity. We've already seen it time and time again in Tour Pro. Tour Pro?! That's suppose to be the toughest level with any swing-type, yet there they are on any supporting sites' at the top of the leaderboards.

Another factoid: You (usually) won't see the #1 through #5 players on any JNPG supported site play in Hazard and Skills events. They are not able to use their exploits to gain the advantage or they know they can't be #1. Powerful motivator for some online compeititors, not to be #1.

[IanD]

Regardless of how we play them, Tournaments are competitive and should be created for eveyone to play without an advantage. But... we all know this. We are not daft, and anyone aiming to achieve a higher score than they would by playing in a normal game related way, is doing so because they can. They may feel whilst the ability is there, it is part of the game, and therefore have created a new 'element' of 'if' they can avoid being caught.

It sounds like, there is a way...

Hopefully Mike can make available the data that is normally discounted, and even improve upon the recent statistics that have become available. I have no idea what data is captured in other swing methods, being a 3C myself. However, I'd love to see my Swing/Snap data per hole and correlate that to my actual score for those holes. It would give better ideas of how well my club selection was, as well as seeing data relating to each club itself. But, if I was Andrew or working within PP, I would make this a DLC and charge for the addition of a Personal Stat Swing Specialist. So I doubt we will get full transparency here. Hopefully, we will have enough to warrant only a few questions for enough transparency to be honestly competitive.

[Affo]

Hehe Lee, if I could manipulate my score to be just one or two shots ahead of the filed safe in the knowledge I would still win ( I know that wasn't aimed at me ;) ) I really wouldn't waste my time, and if anyone is, that is a really sad state of affairs to cheat to "just" win.

I am all for recording rounds or whatever is needed (got my round 3 from this week's PGA9 ready to upload as you can see from my post on PP forums), sure Eminem will come up with the goods.

Paul's note that some "better" players don't live up to their pre-billing in multi games isn't a total surprise. In the few multis I have played, my scores aren't as good as solo play and one main reason is that I don't get into a rhythm in a multi, you could go a few minutes between shots and as it is more social, the concentration isn't always the same and you get bits of lag, jumps, pauses. Maybe others find the same, just how I find it.

But just for note, loving the competitions at present, lots of good players out there and many fast improvers too.

[Makosha]

Tournaments for me are just an opportunity to experiment with crazy shots. I guess that's why I like Hazard the most. After all these years I stopped trying to be at the top of the leaderboard; I have no desire to take the time to "super concentrate" only to be beaten by someone who will ALWAYS have a score 2 to 4 strokes better than my best effort. Meaning, they learned not to use their exploit to show-off too much by shooting 15 to 20 strokes lower than all the other players.

How do they do this? I figure they just wait until the real contenders finish the 3rd or 4th round and go about their dirty work to make sure the score is fairly close to the 2nd and 3rd place finishers. It's always been that way in all golf games. People who know how to program (I don't) can modify their Swing Controller or Mouse however they please. Or find some other exploit. That is what makes gamng fun for them, the challenge of learning how to exploit it, not learning to play it with integrity. We've already seen it time and time again in Tour Pro. Tour Pro?! That's suppose to be the toughest level with any swing-type, yet there they are on any supporting sites' at the top of the leaderboards.

Another factoid: You (usually) won't see the #1 through #5 players on any JNPG supported site play in Hazard and Skills events. They are not able to use their exploits to gain the advantage or they know they can't be #1. Powerful motivator for some online compeititors, not to be #1.

Personally I take exception to this statement, it is very derogatory to the members who play the toughest level as a challenge to themselves.
You are insinuating - correction, you are blatantly stating that Tour Pro players are cheating the game and other site users.
I think an open apology should be given NOW for this statement.