Player Handicaps

[NIBNOB]

wheres the fun in scruggling to make even par?

[terbal]

wheres the fun in scruggling to make even par?

seems you have to for your score to count.

[Affo]

Depends on the tournament Mark...Stableford, looks like you may have beaten your -10 handicap? is that a net -29 (effectively)??

All just relative to how you score against others, but I repeat...the newer handicaps reflect your potential, it is the AVERAGE of your best 12 from last 24 not just the best score. You obviously can score it, because it's your average so you must have shot lower probably 6 times at least ;) .

Good job scores are adjusted for easier/harder events mind, otherwise that -10 might become -14 and oh the commotion from some others....lol.

[Seasider47]

I enjoy Handicap play. I have never had a big handicap, for the last 6 months my handicap has remained between +4 and +2 only once has it reached +5. I am playing to my ability, I frequently miss snap but I seem to be able to scramble out of trouble frequently. its my putting thatkeeps me scoring arround par on each hole instead of birdies. But the odd shots advantage I do get I try to take advantage of to enable me to beat other players with similar ability to me, Handicaps are used in sport to create a lvl playing field . the ideal leaderboard should show just a handfull of shots ist and last but whilst players score -30 or more at the top of the LB it is obvious somethings wrong, Andy is to is credit trying to mix it about to get the correct formular, I'll grant that it wont seem much fun with a handicap of + 8 -10 but what else can we do to bring the scores down. What I am concerned more with are the players who purposely guard there handicap by playing really bad. Recently a player made 58 putts in one round. thats not on and must be eliminated,

I'm not going to be up there with such as Affo, Step or Nibnob but accasionally I can rise above myself and score reasonably well, and that makes it fun. So althought I would like to see players of all ability playing PG Classic at this point in time I cant see it happening but there are still many who enjoy the tour, especially the opportunity to play Pay to Play courses. so I hope the Tour continues giving pleasure

[Often Rong]

I usually don't comment on these type of discussions, because i get tired of people telling me i'm often wrong, but all handicap systems i have ever played under was designed to level the playing field, not tip it in either direction... What i would like my handicap to reflect would be an average of
all my last 24 games with the Best and Worst single game thrown out. If I am rated only on my best then no need to play!
Jim

[Affo]

Just ran the events just finished 28th August as handicap events using the official handicaps just to see. Here is the top 25 and ties of what would have been the Nett leaderboard:

Stableford:

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26 	ranabear1
19 	NIBNOB
18 	lilpoison
18 	terbal
18 	LOBKING
18 	johannor1
18 	LES1959
18 	Golferdee
17 	Milehigh
17 	bbbuckshot1
17 	jim170175
17 	kennetharry
16 	TBone
16 	RickW
16 	roande47
16 	BadRobot65
16 	boss302-1969
15 	RandyG
15 	Hilton
15 	skip67
15 	bigned56
14 	cubbies645
14 	charlieb
14 	Just Jolly
13 	Affo
13 	bpatrick4489
13 	davefv92c
13 	boxmaker111
13 	POGO
13 	MrEd03

So this is points scored in relation to expected...it was an easy course this week, every player who finished the 4 rounds scored under their handicap, so scored more points than expected, but pretty close apart from the winner (think his handicap is coming down this week, lol) but good to see players with big minus handicaps could compete (NIBNOB, Affo, cubbies, -10,-11,-8 respectively)

[Affo]

Here's the PGA9 top 25 plus ties:

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-10 	scoops100
-6 	skip67
-4 	LinksPro
-4 	boxmaker111
-4 	Flyer01
-3 	bobfletch
-3 	charlie
-3 	briarfox62
-3 	davidgpedersen
-2 	davefv92c
-2 	stevemel
-1 	terbal
0 	Affo
0 	BOWHUNTER615
0 	Kimmer1947
0 	johannor1
1 	charlieb
1 	BlackCat0315
1 	RickW
1 	kennetharry
1 	rob1312
2 	ollybobbles
2 	Stevemaccal
2 	freddy
3 	Riddler
3 	JoeBradley
3 	bpatrick4489
3 	Topflight
3 	Cestrian
3 	kypran
3 	Just Jolly
3 	mcantre

Again, a couple of players played very well, but apart from that, a tight leaderboard and high minus handicappers in the mix and some of those who thought their handicap was harsh appearing in the shot under handicap section!

[Affo]

and the PGA18, where you would expect a larger spread:

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-12 	Just Jolly
-8 	Golferdee
-6 	Lefty48
-5 	Reynhardt_p2
-5 	skip67
-5 	johannor1
-4 	bbbuckshot1
-4 	alanr54nc
-1 	TBone
-1 	roande47
-1 	boxmaker111
0 	Coach098
1 	Hilton
2 	bobfletch
2 	Sikkum
2 	Topflight
2 	arsam
3 	Affo
3 	NIBNOB
3 	fubzee
3 	charlieb
3 	Flyer01
4 	Often Rong
4 	bpatrick4489
4 	BoomBoom

A 16 shot spread for the top 25 as opposed to a 29 spread on the gross leaderboard.

Anyways, just some tables to show that, even though all handicaps dropped by a few shots, play well and you still hit under par and can challenge for nett leaderboard, no matter how low your handicap is...now where is Mark...

[terbal]

perhaps handicaps should be used for all events except the open?

[NIBNOB]

Wheres he incentive to play well? only to have to play even better next time....struggling to make even par(like in classic this week) gives me zero chance of winning....i dont just want to compete against someone at my level i want to compete against everyone.....put a limit on handicap events -4 +4 seems fair...lets just try this and see how close the field is.....every player should have a chance of winning imho....I see the work you put into this Andy but most of i dont understand.....