a point about points

[terbal]

this post about the unfair points system?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[terbal]

but a mouse and a straight edge
will on motion, that is the main reason I quit playing motion swing

Are you serious? so a straight edge will give you the perfect tempo every shot? On motion horizontal I used to move my mouse about one inch back and an inch forward to achieve a full meter swing, a straight edge isn't needed if you cannot do a straight line moving the mouse an inch then either practice or find another swing type. Motion swing is all about tempo nothing more nothing less if your tempo is off your all over the park, if its on you can get a decent round. I wish people would try out what they are saying before posting crap, do us all a favour go to motion swing horizontal or vertical try using a straight edge and see where it gets you before accusing different swing types of cheating (this is not at you dave but in general) Or maybe ask ALEXA to swing for you with a perfect tempo.

the controller is so easy to cheat with, which was the main reason I quit playing TGC

In TGC Tours if anything is a miss with the swing it alerts the moderators and your scores are removed from that event under their fair play policy
http://tgctours.proboards.com/thread/12 ... lay-policy. This is with controller or mouse.

if you use a controller for motion it can be manipulated and a mouse can be as well x & y axis and 3 click can use 2 mice. same on tgc les

If we listen to all the cheat shouters we wouldn't play jack shit Terry, these are online games meant for fun, you win nothing, LIFE IS TOO SHORT.

les i was just pointing out there are lots of ways to cheat on pg and tgc im past the point of giving a shit now i just want to play on a level playing field as far as the points on the tour are concerned. as it stands i could have posted the end of season points table before it started and i wouldnt have been far wrong

[Affo]

So what you would like is a bit like putting Championship and Division 1 (pros and amateurs) teams into the Premier league (TPs), giving them a goal or 2 headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but wanting the same tv/prize money for finishing position.

Or for our friends across the water, inviting Minor League Baseball teams (pros and amateurs) to play in the Major Leagues but give them a few runs headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but demand the same tv/prize money etc?

Is that the gist of what you are asking for, level playing field?

You are correct in saying you could predict the end of season table, most probably could get close, depends who improves or wants to improve or whether they are purely playing for fun which takes the whole points thing away.

[Biffa]

Dave im a bit at a loss at your statement here, one minute your saying this

but a mouse and a straight edge
will on motion, that is the main reason I quit playing motion swing got sick of people accusing
motion swingers of cheating, the controller is so easy to cheat with, which was the main reason I quit playing TGC
I viewed that game as the best cheat wins.

And the next your saying this.

yea tempo too, I don't know about this game or TGC but TW series was easy as hell to straight edge with

How can you possibly say you quit playing TGC because it was easy to cheat with a controller then in the next breath say you dont know about here (PG) and TGC then compare them to TW Series. The games have moved on a lot since TW Series anti cheats put in etc.
Anyhow my thoughts are the developers are to blame for this PG has far to many swing methods they should have selected one and stuck with it,might not have stopped the cheating shouters but would not have divided the community, and as far as there levels are concerned they are either going to have to add more above tour pro (similar to what WGT had to do) or the game is going to go stale eventually. As far as points in tour are concerned I know what way I would go but doubt any changes will be made so will keep it to myself.

[terbal]

So what you would like is a bit like putting Championship and Division 1 (pros and amateurs) teams into the Premier league (TPs), giving them a goal or 2 headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but wanting the same tv/prize money for finishing position.

Or for our friends across the water, inviting Minor League Baseball teams (pros and amateurs) to play in the Major Leagues but give them a few runs headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but demand the same tv/prize money etc?

Is that the gist of what you are asking for, level playing field?

You are correct in saying you could predict the end of season table, most probably could get close, depends who improves or wants to improve or whether they are purely playing for fun which takes the whole points thing away.

thats rubbish. if i won a prize of a invite to play in a real pro event i would get the same points as the real pro if i finished level with him. TP's have an avantage already as they are better players or they wouldnt be TP'S. what are TP'S scared of . pro's are fighting for 20th place on the final leaderboard and ammys 40th. what is the point? and dont metion honours board becasue that means nothing and no one looks at it. just give the not so good players a chance.

[Seasider47]

Some people need to get a life lol...getting boring now... just play the game or go and do something else that will make you happy...lifes too short to worry lol

[Perculator]

So what you would like is a bit like putting Championship and Division 1 (pros and amateurs) teams into the Premier league (TPs), giving them a goal or 2 headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but wanting the same tv/prize money for finishing position.

Or for our friends across the water, inviting Minor League Baseball teams (pros and amateurs) to play in the Major Leagues but give them a few runs headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but demand the same tv/prize money etc?

Is that the gist of what you are asking for, level playing field?

You are correct in saying you could predict the end of season table, most probably could get close, depends who improves or wants to improve or whether they are purely playing for fun which takes the whole points thing away.

thats rubbish. if i won a prize of a invite to play in a real pro event i would get the same points as the real pro if i finished level with him. TP's have an avantage already as they are better players or they wouldnt be TP'S. what are TP'S scared of . pro's are fighting for 20th place on the final leaderboard and ammys 40th. what is the point? and dont metion honours board becasue that means nothing and no one looks at it. just give the not so good players a chance.

No idea what you are on about. For example, the last PGA 18 I finished 32nd overall and got a big fat 9,375 points. The next finishers at 33rd (two pros and an ammy) the ammy got 25,500 points and the pros got 10,000 each. I have frankly never understood the points here and as the high TP most weeks I get nothing from it, would not even look if you would stop picking the scab.

[Duval 59]

What did I say? Andy will win every tournament. No contest. He shoots 2 strokes better than anyone else on average (albeit at 3 click, sad); Wins by eight, then nine. Throw in the towel continentals, your fighting for second place! I'd die to see what he would do at AMATEUR motion swing? Really, I am quite intrigued at what that would look like! Maybe those who make the rules would understand if they actually give it a try. Not hating, just being real fellas! Love the game and like the comp.! I've got all the comp I can handle at Amateur motion swing!!!!! Do you? ;) Grip it n rip it!

Ive been saying this for a long time but was shot down and ignored as a mod and shot down again as a member, 3 clickers are deciding what levels a motion swing should play without even knowing the differences in difficulties, the formulas for 3 clickers might be working for 3 clickers but are miles out for motion swing. Your banging your head on a brick wall Duval nothing will change here. As far as motion swing being manipulated is concerned I would like anyone to prove how because as far as I can see its your hand/ arm motion that effects the shot, if your tempo is off no matter how you try manipulate it the shot is off.

if you use a controller for motion it can be manipulated and a mouse can be as well x & y axis and 3 click can use 2 mice. same on tgc les

Yes, but what EVERYONE does not understand is that there is an added element of tempo. Unlike a already there tempo (3 click), motion swing tempo adds to someone who can manipulate the x and y axis of a controller or mouse. This is why it is soooooo hard.

[Duval 59]

but a mouse and a straight edge
will on motion, that is the main reason I quit playing motion swing

Are you serious? so a straight edge will give you the perfect tempo every shot? On motion horizontal I used to move my mouse about one inch back and an inch forward to achieve a full meter swing, a straight edge isn't needed if you cannot do a straight line moving the mouse an inch then either practice or find another swing type. Motion swing is all about tempo nothing more nothing less if your tempo is off your all over the park, if its on you can get a decent round. I wish people would try out what they are saying before posting crap, do us all a favour go to motion swing horizontal or vertical try using a straight edge and see where it gets you before accusing different swing types of cheating (this is not at you dave but in general) Or maybe ask ALEXA to swing for you with a perfect tempo.

the controller is so easy to cheat with, which was the main reason I quit playing TGC

In TGC Tours if anything is a miss with the swing it alerts the moderators and your scores are removed from that event under their fair play policy
http://tgctours.proboards.com/thread/12 ... lay-policy. This is with controller or mouse.

if you use a controller for motion it can be manipulated and a mouse can be as well x & y axis and 3 click can use 2 mice. same on tgc les

If we listen to all the cheat shouters we wouldn't play jack shit Terry, these are online games meant for fun, you win nothing, LIFE IS TOO SHORT.

You are absolutely right BIFF! It is all about tempo, doesn't matter y axis if you can';t get tempo right every time. IT IS AN ADDED HANDICAP FOR MOTION SWINGERS "."!

[Duval 59]

So what you would like is a bit like putting Championship and Division 1 (pros and amateurs) teams into the Premier league (TPs), giving them a goal or 2 headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but wanting the same tv/prize money for finishing position.

Or for our friends across the water, inviting Minor League Baseball teams (pros and amateurs) to play in the Major Leagues but give them a few runs headstart (the various assists and less snap penalties) each game but demand the same tv/prize money etc?

Is that the gist of what you are asking for, level playing field?

You are correct in saying you could predict the end of season table, most probably could get close, depends who improves or wants to improve or whether they are purely playing for fun which takes the whole points thing away.

Andy, all that's being said here is that if you recognize levels as a handicap for this points system, you should also recognize that swing methods are handicaps as well, because, the stats don't lie! WE can ignore that this isn't the case, but that doesn't get rid of the issue! There's a word for that, ignorance (Is bliss for some). Motion swing is extremely more difficult. Getting better has its limits, and when the limits are at either Ametuer or pro level for motion swingers, yes, they are getting hosed by those who are 3 clicking at tour pro level. And I use "hosed" tightly. I cannot compete at the higher levels using my laptop mouse pad for motion swing. But, this is what I prefer to play the game with because it resembles a true golf swing more so than any other method I've ever played in gaming golf. Because I cannot compete, I've decided to be relegated to non-level adjusting tournaments so I can simply have fun. I would like to participate in them, but like I said, there are limits with methods and devices being used by some. Course management can give one a 6-8 extra strokes, but the swing makes all the difference in the end.